Sins of the Children (Adrian Tchaikovsky)

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46 points | by maxall4 3 hours ago

3 comments

  • iroddis 2 hours ago
    The Children of (insert adjective) series by Adrian Tchaikovsky is really, really good, especially the second in the series. Good science fiction where the aliens are very alien are hard to come by.
    • bostik 1 minute ago
      I concur on "really good" but have to disagree on the "series" part. Children of Time is a remarkable book, one of the best science fiction stories in a very long time.

      Children of Ruin is ... okay. Children of Memory is not a good book, IMO. Both of these suffer from the same mysticism-used-to-spin-up-a-red-reset-button plot device plague that fundamentally guts Xenocide. Nowhere as bad as that, of course, but the unpleasant echoes are there.

      As it happens I'm in the middle of the Architects series and while it has its distant whiff of Stainless Steel Rat[ß], on the whole the series and its universe have so far remained consistent.

      ß: Stainless Steel Rat was notorious for repeatedly putting the protagonist into impossible situations and then whipping up near-magical pieces of technomancy that just happened to solve the problem of the moment.

    • idopmstuff 1 hour ago
      It'd be (insert noun) and the first one is far and away the best but on the big picture you are absolutely correct that it is fantastic. Children of Time (first one) is maybe my favorite book ever.
      • james-bcn 1 hour ago
        Yes Children of Time is very good. Tchaikovsky is excellent at portraying alien/non-human minds. You can tell he studied zoology and psychology at university.
      • danielbln 1 hour ago
        Children of Time so very good, it is in the top 5 of my favorite books of all time. I enjoyed the second one as well, and found the third one to be a bit inconsequential and I didn't re-read it when I re-read part 1 and 2.
        • aduwah 1 hour ago
          If you've enjoyed these, give a go for Dogs of War too.
      • cududa 1 hour ago
        I just get all excited whenever anyone brings these books up, remembering the first time I read them.
    • roughly 1 hour ago
      Alien Clay is also fantastic. I don’t want to spoil anything, but I think it gives the best intuition I’ve seen for a scientific concept that can be difficult to really grok otherwise.
      • kmarc 24 minutes ago
        Just finished it, and while I loved the whole plot, the adventurous expeditions away from the base, somehow this one with the waaay too long paragraphs seemed... Unnecessarily boring?

        My first Tchaikovsky was children of time and TBH none of the sequels nor his other space operas were as captivating as that one for me.

        Yet, I will read this one too. I believe that his ideas and stories are great in books and would never be able to make them into movies. So unique.

      • nozzlegear 50 minutes ago
        The elephant's dad was such a fascinating creature, and the way he described it keening in the distance at night reminded me of the amalgamation creatures from Annihilation. I loved Alien Clay – I hope we get a sequel because the world was so interesting.
    • GordonS 42 minutes ago
      I have a spider phobia, and struggled not to put the book down at first!

      But the concepts and writing are excellent... really engaging stuff. And by the end of the book I'd learned so much about spiders that I honestly felt less scared of them! Definitely not cured by any means, but a year on and I still fear them less than I used to.

      • sph 12 minutes ago
        If you want more spiders from him (actually, a spider-man), in a fantasy setting, I recommend Spiderlight. Just a fun novella that feels like a D&D campaign, works great as a palate cleanser.

        I find his writing style really enjoyable, to the point that I really need to dive into his entire repertoire now.

      • Angostura 27 minutes ago
        I’ve only read the first one. My main thought was ‘I wish he could write people as well as he could write spiders’ :)
    • nosianu 1 hour ago
      > Good science fiction where the aliens are very alien are hard to come by.

      Apart from "Solaris", which many probably know because there's been a reasonably well-known movie, I recommend "Fiasco" by the same author, Good science fiction where the aliens are very alien are hard to come by Stanisław Lem. Spoiler: It does not end well. The aliens are too alien, and the humans do what humans often do.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiasco_(novel)

      • bear8642 32 minutes ago
        > Good science fiction where the aliens are very alien are hard to come by

        I feel this is one of the reasons I liked Fire upon the Deep with the group mind based Tines

      • nemosaltat 26 minutes ago
        In Shroud, Tchaikovsky does very alien (“real” aliens, not “uplifts”) very well. Anthropocentrically, it does not “end well.” Literarily, it vies for my favorite SciFi read of ‘25. Technically, I read “There Is No Antimemetics Division” last year, but I’d already kind of read it... or at least I think I thought I had.

        uh uh, uh

      • thom 1 hour ago
        Wang’s Carpets usually comes up alongside Solaris as another example of deliberately alien aliens.
    • lelandfe 1 hour ago
      Children of Time sparked more comments from strangers in NYC than anything else I’ve read. I came almost to expect them when reading it.
  • komadori 1 hour ago
    This short story is set in the same universe as Tchaikovsky's excellent "Shroud" novel and in fact it's the same ship. I wonder where it sits in the chronology because I think the ending of Shroud surely permits an interesting sequel.
  • robbiep 34 minutes ago
    I am a huge Tchaikovsky fan, mostly as I love his hard sci fi and incredible world building. I normally shy away from any fantasy but his city of last chances trilogy (now turning into a quadrilogy/on its was to 5??) is one of the absurdist Pythonesque and actually funny series I’ve read in years (although the first one is legitimately hard to parse/read given the style). Still, the juice is worth the squeeze and the second in the series I found hilarious.